10.06.09

Ladies, if you’re going to go crazy, don’t do it at work

Posted in dating, red flags at 9:25 pm by N

One of the most unbelievable parts of “He’s Just Not That Into You” was how all the female characters just sit around at work talking about boys. They didn’t work at the Gap, they were supposed to be professionals. Women don’t do that. Maybe a quick conversation here and there, but seriously? Agonizing over every detail, crying in the workplace? Doesn’t happen.

Or so I thought. One Tuesday, my coworker–let’s call her Kara–spent about a half hour solid telling her two cube mates how she had had this fabulous dinner with her ex. They had such a great time, it was just like old times, etc. etc. So she had it all planned out: she was going to meet him for drinks–not dinner, and not to talk because they’ve done all that, you know?–and she was going to look fabulous. And then I didn’t hear what she had decided was going to happen next, but judging by her tone, he was going to fall back in love with her.

Ed. note: This post consists of a long story and a short analysis. If you get tired of the story (as I and my coworkers did), feel free to skip down to the analysis. I wish I had had the same option.

The next day, she was irate. IRATE! So, she recapped the entire story from the day before, and then talked about how she sent the ex an email saying, “Let’s just meet up for drinks. I don’t want to do dinner. I don’t want to talk about everything, because we’ve done that, you know? I don’t want to talk about how the west coast never has thunderstorms. (Note: We had just had the first thunderstorm in my 10 years of living out here.) Let’s just meet up and have fun.”

And what did he do?

He said no.

Can you believe it? (Her cube mates couldn’t, and that went on for about 3 minutes straight.) BUT WAIT! “You won’t believe what he did. He said, ‘I have some errands to run on Saturday afternoon. Come with me, it’ll be fun.’” Errands?!?!?! (No one could believe that, either.) “So I wrote back to him, and I said, ‘Errands? That doesn’t sound too fun for me.’ And he wrote back saying, ‘I’ll buy you an ice cream.’” An ice cream?!?! Who does he think he is? I mean, really, an ice cream? What’s he thinking? He invites you to run errands with him?

Oh, but wait. Recounting the events wasn’t enough. “Let me read the email to you,” Kara said, and then proceeded to live up to her word–and every word, in fact, in the entire email exchange. And then ask for feedback and support that every one of her sentences said the right thing in the right way and then that every one of his sentences said the wrong thing in a completely unbelievable way. And on and on for about 45 minutes.

They delved into the fact that he specified “afternoon,” meaning they wouldn’t be going out to dinner, right? They all concurred. That, apparently, was what was really offensive about it. “I mean, I have to run errands with him and he’s not even going to buy me dinner? He’s only going to buy me an ice cream?”

Later that day, Kara says to her cube mates, “So, I’ve been emailing my sisters and my mom about this all day.” (Her manager, who is her cube mate, found this a perfectly fine way to spend a work day.) “My sister said…” and then I put on my headphones because I was already sick of hearing the story. (Note: Just a few hours earlier, Kara told me she couldn’t do something–something that is part of her job–because she was too busy.) This story continued for another half hour, during which she gave the reaction of each of her family members.

Wasted work time (cumulative, to date): 1 hour 30 minutes + unknown time emailing her entire family.

Number of people consulted: 5

On Wednesday, she still couldn’t believe it. Her cube mates (enablers) asked her what she was going to do. Had she responded? “I don’t know what I’m going to do,” Kara said. “I met this girl at the gym last night–she seemed the outdoorsy type–and she was like, ‘You’re going to hang out in his car with him all afternoon?’ I mean, I don’t even know this girl, and she was all shocked.”

But really, Kara didn’t want to spend her whole day waiting around for him, because he was probably going to make her wait. They discussed other possibilities. Say no! Make other plans! Everyone else in the office likely would have voted for: Shut up and move on! After 15 minutes deliberation, she decided that she was going to schedule a date for that night, so that even if the ex asked her out for dinner, she wouldn’t be able to go. “Sorry, I have a date,” she’d say, and he would forever rue the day he asked her to run errands with him and offered an ice cream.

As she came back in from lunch with another coworker, we could all hear her saying, “And then he offered to buy me ice cream? Ice cream. Can you believe that?”

Toward the end of the day, her cube mates, the department that was largely responsible for us being about 4 days behind on an unmovable deadline, thoughtfully asked her if she’d thought more about what she was going to do.

Fortunately, there was this guy who she wasn’t very excited about, but she thought she could schedule a date with him for Saturday night. They had gone out before, and she had decided that she wasn’t interested in him, but by leading him on and setting up a Saturday night date, that would help her get her mind off things. Because clearly, the looming deadlines and huge budget overruns she was facing weren’t doing the trick.

Wasted work time: 2 hours 45 minutes.

Number of people consulted: 7

Now, I’ll be honest. At this point, I thought that Kara wanted to be more important to her ex than she actually was. I’ll spare the Thursday and Friday recaps (she did share the story with more complete strangers), and jump straight to Monday–the denouement!

“So, what happened?” everyone (meaning her two cube mates) asked. (Note: an hour later they would say in a staff meeting, “Well, since everything is running so far behind, we might have to work this weekend.” They expected pity, they received none.)

“Well,” Kara said. “So I got up for my morning run, you know, because I knew I would just go crazy [Ed.: too late] if I didn’t run. And I’m coming back from my run, and it’s like 11, and I have to get upstairs and get showered because he’s going to call me at noon, right? So I’m walking past the coffee shop near my apartment, and there’s this guy sitting there who is SMOKING!” Cue oohs and ahs from the cube mates. “And I’m totally sweaty, and my hair looks like shit,” she says. Cue “Your hair is great” type comments from the cube mates. “But so I grab a copy of Vogue, and I sit down at one of the tables. And then they guy comes over and sits by me, and we start talking.” They exchange numbers, etc.

“And it was so perfect, because it totally kept my mind off things. I was all excited about this guy, and I just floated upstairs to my apartment. And then [the ex] called and said, ‘Could we meet at 2 instead?’ and I was like, ‘That’s fine!’ I was in such a great mood. I didn’t care!” But what’s she going to do with two hours? So she wandered around the streets, killing time, because she actually had nothing better to do than to just wander around the streets. I can not conceive of such a state of being.

Then they finally met up, and as they’re walking to do the first errand, he says, “Hey, are you dating anyone?” And she says no, are you. He says, “Yes, but I’m not that crazy about her. Hey, do you remember what you said to me when we broke up?”

Kara filled in the backstory. When they dated, he always wanted a Porsche and was constantly talking about it. And she was so sick of hearing it, that when they broke up, she said, “If you ever get a Porsche, I’ll help you christen it.”

To answer your questions: Yes, that does mean what you think it means. Yes, she did say that loudly while at work in an open office, so all her coworkers heard.

And, yes, the “errand” was buying himself a used Porsche.

She didn’t help him christen it, he drove her around a little bit before they went out with his friends. Then she went into a long talk about how he was one of the good guys, and how he was really worth fighting for. That’s why she keeps hanging out with him. She knows they’re going to end up together someday. Her cube mates concurred.

Wasted work time: 5 hours.

Number of people consulted: 7+

Lessons learned from this experience:

  1. There are women who are as embarrassingly unprofessional as the women in “He’s Just Not That Into You.”
  2. If you can’t stay sane at work, call in sick. Seriously, we don’t need to be exposed to your self-obsessed rantings. We have work to do.
  3. If a guy wants to run errands with you, he’s probably not that into you. You’re in the “pal” section of the friend zone, and you’re not getting out.
  4. If your coworker starts telling a story in which it’s clear that she’s obsessed with a guy who is not that into her, it is not kind to let her continue in her delusional state.
  5. If you wait around an entire day for a guy to pick you up to do errands with him after you have pretended to protest, he knows that your life is empty without him. He’s never going to be into you because it’s too much pressure to be someone’s life.
  6. If a guy wants you to christen his new car, he’s definitely not that into you. You’re an eff buddy. That’s it.
  7. If, after all this, after he’s sent you numerous and fairly clear signals that he’s not that into you, you still think that the guy is worth fighting for and that you’ll end up with him, you are insane.
  8. If your coworkers agree with you, they, too, are insane.
  9. If your company is burning through money faster than expected and your coworkers’ benefits are “on the table” and the company is talking about how they’re trying to avoid cutting staff and one person spends the equivalent of almost an entire work day talking about their meaningless personal drama including an hour or more about “christening” her ex’s car with him, then please, fire her ass first. Please.

06.01.09

Lap dances | A 100e, 20d poll

Posted in dating, poll, red flags at 6:45 am by N

Two of my girl friends have recently confronted one of the most difficult questions a woman can face before getting married: What do I do (if anything) if my fiance wants to get a lap dance at his bachelor party? R. and A. talked about this at length on our girls’ night out on Friday, but I’ll wait to hear your thoughts before I post more.

Boys, feel free to comment, but this is a girls-only poll.

11.10.08

The Valentine’s Day Poll | A 100E, 20D Poll

Posted in dating, poll, red flags at 7:30 am by N

This started off as a 4:30 poll between my friend Andrew and me. It’s definitely my best one, so I’m reposting it here. The formatting will be a bit odd, but bear with me.

The scenario: You’ve been out with the same guy/girl two or three times. You like him/her, but you’re still on the fence. It just so happens that your next date is on Valentine’s Day. For each of the following four situations, say whether you’d be fine with it, whether it’s a red flag, or whether it’s a dealbreaker. Note: they don’t all happen. Consider each one a unique event.

Situation 1

Situation 2

Situation 3

Situation 4

Read the full poll results, along with some commentary from the verbal polls.

10.08.08

Crazy Craigslist Ads: The “Sugar Daddy” Personal

Posted in crazy Craigslist ads, online dating, red flags at 10:15 pm by N

My friend Lessley sent this to me today, along with some more, um, appropriate postings. My favorite parts are the details about the car (you can ONLY use one of the two of the five) and the juxtaposition of “READ CAREFULLY” in a posting rife with typos.

SUGAR DADDY LOOKING TO TAKE CARE OF SOMEONE -RESTRICTIONS APPLY!!!! – 35 (downtown / civic / van ness)


Reply to: xxxxx@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-10-04, 2:07PM PDT

I don’t feel like bullshitting or messing around, so I’ll just get to the point.

I’m a pretty damn nice guy, but I have a grueling work schedule; I’m constantly flying around the world (I’m in the oil industry) and meeting with various people. This has seriously taken a toll on my dating and relationships. After thinking about it for awhile, I’ve decided to compromise. So I’ll tell you what I have to offer and then I’ll tell you what I expect. It’s almost like a business deal, but it’s really not, depending on how you look at it. It doesn’t really matter to me, but I think it would be mutually beneficial.

What I have to offer:

I have a pretty nice home in SF, but I’m not there very often – the pictures will show that. I love SF and I refuse to sell it. I’m there probably 7 months out of the year, if that. YOU, as my girlfriend, will be allowed to stay there and use all the amenities, which include a hot tub, pool, etc etc. I also have two cars (I actually have 5, but you are ONLY allowed to use one of the two that YOU may pick). I have a BMW 650Ci or a Mercedes Benz SL500. They are fully insured and as my live-in girlfriend, so will you. You may pick ONLY one, not both. The other 3 cars are off limits at all times.

There are no bills to pay as my CPA will handle that – you just live there, do your thing, NO PARTIES, and take care of the house, like a girlfriend/wife.

You’ll get a montly allowance and a credit card to do what you will – the card will have a limit, so you can’t go crazy on it, ok?

What I expect:

***READ CAREFULLY***

I expect you to be home when I’m there. If you can cook, great! If not, that’s fine. On occassion, when I have to go to Europe, I WILL invite you and you MUST come. I will NOT take you to Dubai or the middle east (I hate going there myself and avoid it at all cost). But Paris? Sicily? I’ll be more than happy to take you.

You ALWAYS have to look good – you’ll get a card and cash to make yourself pretty – when I have guests, you need to represnt VERY well.

Be prepared to travel extensively inside the US – NY, FLorida, Texas, Washington, and a few other states.

When I call, YOU Pick up. Always.

When I get home, you WILL take care of me in “other” ways. Absolutely no hesistation. If you do, our deal is over.

Essentially what I say goes.

But as you can see, I have a lot to offer – I WILL take care of you, but you have to take care of me too. That’s the deal.

Who knows, maybe you’ll fall for me. Or not. Doesn’t matter. I take care of you, you take care of me.

So here are a few more details:

I’m caucasian. You must be white or hispanic.
You cannot have any baggage whatsoever. Period.
You must be between the height of 5″1′ to 5″10′
Cannot be overweight.
Hair/eye color does not matter.

Send a FEW pictures of yourself – regular, headshot, lingerie, bikini, nude..whatever. Just be “good looking.” What can I say? You can’t expect me to go shop in Versace in their Paris store with someone that doesn’t fit the mold, do you?

04.22.08

If You Can’t Remember My Name, You Don’t Deserve a Call Back

Posted in red flags at 8:53 pm by N

Maybe it’s karma, but whenever my ex-boyfriend, D.D.*, shows up (unwanted) at one of my gigs, I meet guys. Last night, after my country band’s show, it was J.T.*, a fellow New Jerseyan from Tom’s River who was in town for a few days because he works for the food and wine division of a trade group and was here for an event. And, he was a total hottie: sleepy eyes, carefully groomed scruff of a beard, perfectly tousled hair, tall.

I occasionally write food articles, I edit the food industry section of a business website (among other things), we’d have plenty of things to talk about, right? But not long after he started talking to me after the music ended last night, I realized that he made fatal mistake #1.

FATAL MISTAKE #1: Don’t ask the girl anything about her.

I don’t even know how he found out that I was from New Jersey. I probably volunteered the information when I was asking him about himself.

Later, when my friend Jim came over to chat with us, thinking that we were old high school friends, I realized that J.T. made mistake #2.

FATAL MISTAKE #2: Interrupt the girl whenever she starts talking.

I don’t tolerate that. Period. As much as I might be inclined to smooch a hot Italian-looking guy from New York who’s clearly into food and wine and chooses to come see a country/bluegrass show when in another city, it’s not worth it if I can’t finish a sentence. So I collected my gear and got ready to leave.

“I want to see you again,” he said. “Can I have your number?”

“You’d better get a pen and paper quick, because this amp is heavy,” I said. He gallantly took my amp, grimaced subtly (it’s only about 30 lbs., which is light for an amp but heavy for an object), and placed it carefully on the ground. He took out his cell phone, asked me for my number, then showed it to me to make sure he’d gotten it right. He had. I said goodnight and left.

Today, he sent me a text.

.hey. .howru. 12:55 pm 4/22/08

I didn’t see it until about 7 pm. But it seemed clear to me that he’d made mistake #3.

FATAL MISTAKE #3: Forget the girl’s name (which, for the record, is not the fatal mistake), but don’t have the presence of mind to figure out other ways to find it.

BTW, he could have gotten my name if he’d had the guts to call me instead of texting, because I don’t answer my cell phone at work and my name is on my voicemail. So I texted him back.

If you can’t remember my name, why do you think I should call you back? 7:34 pm 4/22/08

To his credit, he almost immediately responded.

.i am bad with names. .but i guess u take it personal. . 7:36 pm 4/22/08

And then, about a half hour later:

.i put in my phone as – red – 8:01 pm 4/22/08

Red? I have brown hair, was wearing a black shirt, black skirt, and red boots. I was wearing a red coat as I walked out of the bar. I’m booked up this whole week anyway. But really, guys, the minimal effort you need to extend is remembering a girl’s name. If he forgot, there were plenty of my friends still hanging out in the bar. He could have made an effort to figure it out. And if you can’t do that, you don’t deserve a call back.

* As usual, names have been changed to protect whomever.

03.01.08

Identity Theft in Online Dating

Posted in news, online dating, red flags tagged at 12:23 pm by N

It’s hard coming up with a profile. If selling ourselves was easy for single people, we probably wouldn’t be as single. But really, plagiarism?

The Mind Hacks blog has a good post on personality plagiarism on online dating sites, inspired by a recent WSJ article in which one victim of this identity theft (a guy who teaches an Internet dating class) actually had his photo stolen.

These items inspired a new category for 100 Emails, 20 Dates: red flags. People, if someone clearly stole someone else’s headline or description, you don’t want to date them. There’s always an excuse to be lazy: I was busy, I’m not creative, etc. But someone who actually wants to meet someone will put in the effort to come up with something original, even if it’s boring, rather than using the lazy “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” excuse.