04.30.09

This is totally a scam

Posted in dating, online dating at 9:42 pm by N

I’m kind of excited. I think I just got my first scam email through OK Cupid.

Date: Today, 6:41 pm
Subject: You

are SO cute!
haha
That is all
Tom

I have newer pics on myspace (of course! lol)
http://www.myspace.com/[REDACTED]
so ADD ME!

Of course! lol

04.29.09

Ask the Bros

Posted in dating tagged , , at 8:21 pm by N

Hey, folks–

I need your help. We’re going to record the next episode of the Bros Roundtable Thursday night, and I need your help with a new segment: Ask the Bros. In the comments for this post, write down your questions, your dating dilemmas, or anything else that you’ve wanted a guy’s opinion on. In each episode of the podcast, I’ll ask the Bros one question, and they’ll give their opinions and advice.

But remember: If you don’t want to know the answer, don’t ask the question. :-)

Thanks!

N

Winning the quiz part of Quiz Dates and the guy who wanted to knife Seal

Posted in dating, me, misadventures, my friends tagged , at 8:16 pm by N

My friend Kate has been the real trailblazer in this latest adventure in gonzo dating. About the same time that we signed up for Crazy Blind Dates, she suggested that we sign up for Quiz Dates, which is basically a combination of pub trivia and speed dating.

The event was last week at a bar near where I work, in the Financial District. When I got there, they gave me a name tag, handed me a scorecard with all the guys’ names on it, told me where my table was, and informed me of the “girl” drink special: pinot for $4. I had an IPA. The check-in table was chock-full of gum and mints, which I thought was a clever touch.

Kate was the next on my team to arrive, and then the third girl, L. Each table has six people: three guys (all on one team) and three girls (all on one team). You have one answer sheet per round, and both teams have to work together to answer the questions. After each round, the guys rotate to the next table and the girls stay.

Before the first round even started, we had to pick team names (mine was the Somali Pirettes), so we were able to chat with the first guys, St., N., and S., for a good amount of time. All three were really nice, friendly, smart guys. We aced the first round, with Scott unapologetically admitting that he knew all four Olympic gymnastics events that men, but not women, compete in. Well done.

After that, it went faster. Basically, with each round, the conversation went like this:

  • Introductions, shaking of hands, dudes sit down
  • Have you ever done this before? If yes, then ask when and where. If no, then move on to the next question.
  • Have you ever done pub trivia before? If no, then conversation fizzles out and attention is directed towards someone who answered yes. If yes, then move on to the next question.
  • What’s your specialty? Variations on this question, such as “Are you good?” or “What are you good at?” are also acceptable.
  • Awkward small talk until the round begins.

The room was loud, and so it was hard to really get to know anyone. One feature of Quiz Dates is that any guys who are overly competitive immediately reveal their true colors. I hate guys who are overly competitive. I love guys who are somewhat competitive. There’s something deeply attractive about a guy who’s willing to fight for you (plural, as in “the couple”). There’s something deeply repulsive about a guy who’s only willing to fight for himself.

My competitive side definitely came out. I INSISTED that the 1999 film about a prison based on a Stephen King story was “Shawshank Redemption,” despite one guy’s insistence that it was the “Green Mile.” (His reasoning was faulty; he said that “Shawshank” was based on a true story.) I finally relented when Kate reminded me  that the theme was “Green.” (And I said to the guy, “You’re totally right; Shawshank came earlier” to acknowledge my stubbornness and his partial wrong-ness.)

There were some interesting characters. J. refused to tell us all the answer to a bonus question, even though we all knew it and the right answer only got you a chance in a raffle for a canvas bag. We were convinced that two guys who had known each other since they played Little League together in the midwest were actually a gay couple. N. pulled out his iPhone to check an answer, and I put down the pen, refusing to make the change (though allowing anyone else to). Cheaters never win.

P. worked in web marketing and specialized in SEO, so I started talking to him about that. Only he thought I didn’t know anything about it (yo, I do), so he talked to me as if I was an idiot. He also dissed writers and editors who “just don’t get SEO,” and said that he was glad that he was a consultant now so that people had to listen to him. I, in turn, wrote “D-bag” next to his name on my scorecard.

L. even ran into a coworker who she wasn’t expecting to see, which would have been awkward except that he seemed like a really nice guy. He helped us win the music round, and we pulled into first place (for the chicks) when I was perhaps the only one in the room who correctly identified “Your Momma Don’t Dance and Your Daddy Don’t Rock ‘n’ Roll” as being by Poison. You can take the girl out of New Jersey…

Kate and I could taste victory. L. was into winning, but I was just about foaming at the mouth at that point. I’m not ashamed to admit it. (Well, not now. I was a little embarrassed at the time.) I got a bit nervous seeing the guys who were at our table for the last round. R. and P. seemed really nice (P. was British, say no more), but their teammate…

Before he even sat down, C. said, “I was a theater arts major.” “Oh really, I couldn’t tell,” I said, eying his white suit, black collared shirt, and white summer fedora. He immediately picked up the pen, with a theater arts flourish, and took charge of the scorecard. My palms started sweating. I did not want to lose, but I also did not want to be the chick who went crazy because she didn’t want to lose at pub trivia.

We did OK on the answers. I wasn’t feeling confident, so when the quizmasterbegan repeating the questions, I tried to listen intently. But C., noticing, perhaps, that the attention of the table was on something other than him, started telling a story that is basically this:

I was working as an usher at a concert venue. While walking backstage, I turned a corner and ran right into Seal, who I didn’t recognize. [Note the potential gap in logic: He's working an event, but he doesn't have any idea what the performer looks like.] Seal is momentarily shocked, I antagonize him, he gets upset and says something like, “Who the hell are you?” I pull out my keys, unlock a door that he doesn’t have access to, and say, “I’m the guy with the keys.”

Fascinating, eh? Apparently he found out it was Seal (and who Seal was) the next week when he heard two security guards talking about it.

We all then said that we were surprised that Seal would act like a jerk, and also that we didn’t believe Heidi Klum would marry a jerk because she seems like a nice person. C. insisted that he is well known for being a jerk. “EVERYBODY knows he’s a jerk. EVERYONE hates him!” he said. “In fact, he was such a jerk, that if I saw him, I would totally have punched him.”

“You wouldn’t have punched him,” Kate said.

“No, I would have,” said C., getting more and more worked up. “In fact, if I had had a knife — wait, I did have a knife. If I wasn’t at work, if I was at a bar or something where I couldn’t get fired, I totally would have knifed him.”

We still won for the girls’ team. And L. won the bag for the bonus question, no thanks to J. No love connections, though.

04.28.09

Compromise, change, and who’s being selfish | Bros Roundtable Podcast

Posted in Bros Roundtable, dating, podcast at 10:02 pm by N

Is it possible to really compromise in a relationship, or is “compromise” just code for “change”? The Bros discuss the compromise versus change question, how (and when) to set expectations, and whether you can tell if someone is being selfish in this episode of the Bros Roundtable.

The Bros are:

  • Sterling Matthews, big banker
  • Gary Supermacho (not Andre Rison), works on cars
  • Ray Huff, motorcross champ
  • McBroerson, artist
  • Rambro Skeeter

Pop culture reference:

Music: Wilco, “A Shot in the Arm (Remix),” Summerteeth

04.19.09

The form Match.com response

Posted in me, online dating at 7:26 pm by N

My Match subscription ends on Wednesday, and I’m so excited. As I was clearing some things out of my inbox, I came across this email, clearly the Match version of spam. It’s gold, really.

From: bambini***
To: [me]
Date received: March 27, 2009
Subject: Heaven must be missing an angel!
Hi There,

Venus sent you to me and I felt resonate with your profile. After seeing your charming and warm smile, I asked myself, Heaven must be missing an angel! I couldn’t help responding to your profile.

I believe that we share similar values and have a few common interests. You seem to be sincere, unpretentious, and down-to-earth, and they are qualities that I truly admire in a person. I like to read, cook, excercise, watch movies, and attend cultural events among other things.

I came to the U.S. 20 years ago to continue my education in Accounting and fell in love with the Bay Area because of its gorgeous weather and cultural diversity. I am a CPA and work as a corporate tax consultant and enjoy my work.

I was born in Italy but moved to Germany with my family when I was three years old and that’s where I grew up. I don’t have any kids but adore them and get along very well with them.

Being as romantic as I am, I would welcome the opportunity to worship the ground you walk on if you open your heart to me.

Please keep smiling as your smile makes this world a more beautiful place to live in. Thanks for taking the time to read my letter and I certainly look forward to hearing from you soon.

Ciao,
Bruno

My smile makes the world a more beautiful place to live in! I feel so special!

Email 17, Date 4: Too much in common

Posted in 100 emails, 20 dates at 11:53 am by N

Every day, OKCupid puts three guys in your Quiver. (Get it? Cupid? Bow and arrow? It’s like they’re arrows that you’re going to…shoot at your own heart? The metaphor falls apart a bit there.) You check out their profile and photos and you can either write to them or say, “No, thanks.” (And the OKCupid algorithm notes who you pass on and who you email to find you better matches in the future.)

I almost always find someone in my Quiver who’s attractive and interesting. Reading S.’s profile, I wondered if the algorithm had created someone for me. Some highlights:

  • He likes music that’s poppy and twangish
  • He likes talking politics and describes himself as a moderate who votes Democrat
  • He loves Scrabble
  • His favorite Beatle is Paul and favorite Monkee is Mickey
  • He listens to Benny Goodman, Big Star, Crowded House, and all sorts of other bands I thought I only listened to
  • HOWEVER, he was anti-serial comma. (For non-editors, the serial comma is the comma that comes before the “and” in a series of three or more items. Ex. peanut butter, bread, and jelly. Editors divide into two camps on the issue. Serious stuff.)

How could I not email him?

Date: 02/28/2009
Subject: I think we agree on everything but serial commas

Hey!

How can someone like all the goofy things that I do — Scrabble, NYT crossword, twangy music, even Big Star and Benny Goodman — and yet be averse to something that I hold so dear: the serial comma. (I have “pro-serial comma” as my religious affiliation in my Facebook profile.)

Actually, I don’t know if that’s a rhetorical question. How is that possible? The serial comma is at worst, harmless, and at best, helpful. My theory is that lawyers decided to abolish it so when they had their law firms’ signs made, they would be one character cheaper.

He wrote back.

Date: 03/01/2009
Subject: I think we agree on everything but serial commas

Hey! My disdain for the serial comma started with the AP Stylebook and was encouraged by Vampire Weekend. Blame them. But some of my best friends (Strunk, White) are fans, and secretly I’m pleased if anyone cares enough about commas to have an opinion one way or another. (The only grammar thing that really, truly makes me blow my stack is when people stick apostrophe’s in plural’s for no reason. That makes me crazy.) Anyway, I don’t think the comma thing should be an insurmountable obstacle.

We do seem to have an awful lot of things in common. I actually think I’ve seen you around — perhaps in the Friends & Family area at Hardly Strictly?

I see Rhett Miller is playing at Yoshi’s-SF soon. You going? If so, let me know and we can shake and howdy, as they say in the biz.

Gotta run. I’m supposed to play tennis with a friend at noon. Let’s hope the rain holds off for a while. Thanks for writing! Ball’s in your court now.

It turns out we both lived in Boston, both worked in publishing (he in newspapers, me in magazines and online), both covered music (we even knew a lot of the same publicists), both played mandolin in bluegrass bands (he only briefly). Weird.

He lives about 45 minutes south of me, so we split the distance when we met for coffee. The day we met up, I had a horrible attitude. Frustrated with Match and my resume date, which was the day before, I barely put on makeup, left a bit late, and grumbled to myself the entire half hour drive down.

But I had a great time. We had so much in common, and he was really nice to chat with. Newspaper people can be great to make small talk with. They put their interviewing skills to good use. After coffee, we walked around town a bit before hugging goodbye and pledging to hang out again.

Over the next week or so, we kept up a really nice email correspondence, then he invited me to see Throw Down Your Heart, the documentary about Bela Fleck’s trip to Africa. We met up for dinner and went to see the late-ish movie.

Dinner was fun, and we had a great conversation. He asked me some really interesting questions (like, “Have you ever been married?” No. “Ever get close?”), and it was fun to actually talk about those things that you wonder about when you’re getting to know someone who you might want to date.

Also, in the interest of full disclosure: I was super tired, so I may not have been as open or engaged as I could have been.

At the end of the night, I still wasn’t feeling sparks. I really liked him, but I wanted him to be my friend, not my boyfriend. We were kind of too similar. Music and writing were both of our things. I know it sounds strange, but I like it when music is my thing and when the guy I’m dating has something else for his thing. I like being with someone who expands my horizons rather than consolidating them.

So I cowgirled up and emailed him (I maybe should have done it over the phone, but all our correspondence had been through email and text, so why break the pattern?). Among other friendly chattiness about music and concerts, I wrote:

I’m really enjoying hanging out with you, but I have to be honest and say that I see much more friend potential than romantic potential. I would really like to continue being friends and go see some shows together. But we did meet through a dating site, after all, so I absolutely understand if you’re focused on finding someone to date right now and want to spend your energy on that.

I wanted to give him an out in case he didn’t want to be friends. He wrote back, among other chattiness:

Friendship sounds nice. (Although that “much” was a bit harsh!) Thanks for being so honest and straighforward. I’ll be sure to let you know when I have a +1 for a show down your way that I think you’d enjoy.

I totally didn’t mean the “much”! (I wrote him back to tell him that and that I was glad he called me on it so I could clear that up!) That’s what I get for hanging out with a fellow editor.

04.07.09

Email 14.1: Trust Your Instincts

Posted in 100 emails, dating, online dating at 7:40 am by N

I sensed that this guy was a little, um, high-maintenance from his overuse of ;o) smiley faces, the tone of his emails, and the frequency of his emails. Well, the story didn’t end there. He sent me a follow-up email.

Subject: Hmmmm
Date: 3/14/09

You still around?

:O)

I didn’t respond. I got another.

Subject: Hmmmm
Date: 4/1/09

So correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we have SOME kind of dialogue started? Was kinda hoping to continue it, myself… And you?! :o)

Hope you’re doing well…

In fact, I wasn’t hoping to continue it. That’s why I didn’t respond. I know I’m going to sound like a hypocrite (hear me out), but I disagree with his characterization of our email exchange as a “dialogue.” This is the blessing and the curse of online dating: someone can stop communicating as soon as they’re not interested. Sure, I wish more guys on Match would write me back, but they don’t because they don’t consider me a good fit. No harm, no foul. Done. Next. But you can’t take these individual rejections, for lack of a better word, personally. And you shouldn’t be a glutton for punishment.

I wrote him back.

Subject: Hmmmm
Date: 4/1/09

Hi, [his name]–

You seem like a really nice guy and have a lot of good things going on in your life. The more I thought about it, it just didn’t feel like you and I would be a good fit.

Good luck in your search!

Take care,
[My name]

Nothing really to say after that, right? Wrong.

Subject: Hmmmm
Date: 4/1/09

Well, I have to admit that I AM a little disappointed, but I DO understand… And yeah, I am SO beyond the “trying to fit a square peg into a round hole” phase of my life… Been there, done that.

Best of luck to you as well…

Take care,
[His name]

I’m glad I trusted my instincts here and didn’t pursue even another email with this guy. He seems nice, however, if we met up even for coffee, I would regret it about five minutes into it. Plus, I suspect he’d be hard to shake after a break-up.

04.06.09

My new favorite dating site: Crazy Blind Date

Posted in 100 emails, dating, me, online dating at 9:12 pm by N

I had a bit of a dating-related freak-out a week or so ago. I was spending so much time at my computer, looking at profiles, sending emails, checking my email, and it all felt like such wasted effort. At the same time, I felt trapped in my house, that life was kind of passing me by. I’ve never been the kind of person who waits until she has a boyfriend to do X, yet suddenly I felt like my entire life was on hold until this search was over. But how was I going to find someone when nothing I was doing was getting me anywhere.

So I thought, I should go gonzo. Sonia suggested speed dating (I’m still looking into that), and my friend K. emailed me with two brilliant ideas.

  1. Quiz dates. Team pub trivia for singles.
  2. Crazy Blind Date. Spontaneous blind-dating.

K. totally took the lead on the Crazy Blind Date. She signed up, went on a date with someone the next night, and had a great time. She said there wasn’t really a love connection, but they both said they’d like to hang out again.

So inspired by her speedy action (and speedy results), I signed up. I filled out the basic information (it’s really minimal), listed what days I was free, what neighborhoods I could meet someone, and how much notice I needed before. I listed four times I was free and got fixed up on two dates.

About a day before the first one, I got an email from CBD saying that they found me a date. I was supposed to meet L., 32, at a particular time and a particular neighborhood. I got to choose the place from a list. They also gave me a few details about him such as “Things I’m good at talking about” and “What I expect of a date.” In other words, really just the bare minimum you need to start talking to someone. Except–no picture. You see a highly pixellated picture, and you can see how they finish this sentence “You’ll know me because I look like…”

A half hour before the date, CBD sends you a text to let you know that they’ve opened up a relay between you and your date, so you can text each other through CBD without revealing your phone number. It’s perfect for “I’m wearing a red shirt and jeans” or “I’m sitting at the bar, green pants.”

Then I got there. I quickly found L. and ordered myself a beer, then we grabbed a table. I was amazed at how easy it was to have a real conversation. The job stuff came up, of course, but since you know so little about the person, you just dive right into really talking. It was really, really fun.

L. and I got along great, although I don’t know that there were any sparks (he did have a rad Scottish accent and, as faithful 100E/20D readers know, I have a thing for voices), but we talked about hanging out after he gets back from a work trip (coincidentally, to this Swedish town I have been dying to visit).

After the date, you fill out a brief feedback form: Did the person show up, how would you rate their attractiveness, how would you rate them as a date, etc. Through that, you can also send them a message and allow (or not) CBD to give them your phone number and email address.

I also went on a CBD on Sunday with J., who coincidentally went on a date with K. on Saturday. She’s been on four CBDs so far, and has had really good, fun experiences with all but one. (They ask you to stay at least 20 minutes. She couldn’t get out of the conversation, so she ended up staying for an hour before she was able to make her exit.)

Here’s what I love about it:

  • There are zero expectations, so you can let the conversation be what it is.
  • It gets me out of my house and meeting people right away.
  • I get to try new bars.
  • It’s by the same people as OKCupid, and it’s got that same “Dating is fun! Meeting people is fun!” attitude. I love that. It should be fun.

I just canceled my Match subscription, and I think that, for now at least, I’m going to focus on OKCupid and Crazy Blind Date for online dating.

The only question is, what do I call these in my accounting? It doesn’t seem right to count them as dates.

04.05.09

When a Guy Really Isn’t Going to Call | Bros Roundtable Podcast

Posted in Bros Roundtable, dating, podcast tagged , , at 10:39 pm by N

Ladies, there is a simple way to know when a guy really is busy and when he’s giving you the brush-off. Also, the Bros get into phoning versus texting and when they give up on girls. It’s the long-promised episode, the gem in our last recording session on the theme of “When to give up and when to give another chance.” (Playing time: 7:24)

The Bros are, as always, Sterling Matthews, Ray Huff, Gary Supermacho, Bro McBroerson, and Rambro Skeeter.

Pop culture references: